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A brilliant and outragously funny satire of society, 7 December 1999
Author: Dave Joerg ([email protected])
"Flodder" is one of the funniest movies ever made and few people realise that it is a Dutch movie made by none other than the Holland version of John Carpenter, the famous Dick Maas, author and director of the thriller "Amsterdamned". The Flodder family is the reincarnation of the term a-social. When the whole family bunch, basically all bastards, criminals and sluts must be relocated from their City slum because of toxic waste under their house, the city council house no choice. The only available space is in the "Zoendal" - the "Sun Valley" the best area in Amsterdam where all doctors, snobs and businessmen can afford to live their lives. And where the central point of interest and politics is the tennis club of the community. The Flodder family brings devastation to the tranquil world that ruled before. They are simply unbelievable. The characterisation is incredibly funny, beginning with Ma Flodder who searches other people's trash cans for food or making illegal liquor in her cellar and ending with the eldest daughter who is the biggest slut on earth. Together they make the most horrible family imaginable, a sort of immoral mirror image to the Brady Bunch or the Waltons. When the City counsel of Amsterdam hoped that the Flodders would show their good will to be more civilised in their new area, it turns out that Holland's most famous family would rather bring out the worst in the rich people of "Sun Valley"-wonderland. The rest is a hilarious, brilliant and well made social satire that can be watched as a provocative movie as well as a straightforward comedy. Dick Maas at his best. I salute him! Flooder was the Dutch smash hit in 1986 and brought two sequels and a tv series. All of the sequels were nice but not as great as the original.
Flodders (1986) is available on DVD in Germany in a dubbed German version in Dolby Digital 5.1. under the name:
"Flodders -Eine Familie zum knutschen"
Why is First Floor Features, the producer of the movie not bringing the Dick Maas blockbusters out on DVD in the Netherlands, I wonder. The are not even available on video there. These movies have so much potential, still to this day and have a huge silent but true following.
？？？我一直以为妻子也是克隆人呢……结果没有反转
无私与自私的讨论 男主太伟大了以至于无法共情
情感的表现已经足够了 希望能有更多的伦理上的讨论
怎么说呢，克隆一个健康的自己替自己活下去并陪伴亲人，脑洞实在是可以。不过都能删除增加记忆了，这世界之大，可供操作的地方之多，估计也就富人能够真正享受到对应福利，而穷人们指不定哪天就被改了记忆，不再像曾经的自己。而且本意也许是好的，但是却也改变了正常的生存伦理，后患无穷
不如鼓勵妻兒更獨立壹些……
三星半吧!看的过程一直觉得会有反转,怪自己思想太过复杂😂
890｜3.5，克隆之后毫无区别是直奔主题的软科幻设定，然而剧本不够简洁，情感的表达也不够有力。故事是残酷而温暖的：即使另一个我与我自己毫无区别，但与家人的爱的记忆无法被抹去，怀着它离开这个世界无疑是痛苦的，但也只有知悉亲情完好如初，才舍得放手离开。中间一段配乐居然是Radiohead的Idioteque。
所以自己一个人孤独的死去 就不用去做这些思想斗争了 虽然很温暖的科幻主题 但是在该哭的地方总觉得差临门一脚 我都没哭出来 just感动 也许是因为演员的过儿吧...法海的moon river好好听 其他bgm也好棒 7.5
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一开始把这部电影当成科幻片的我，充满了挑剔心理。但随着剧情的发展，很快就意识到这是一部关于爱的电影且充满了哲理和反思。如果看到最后你还在期待所谓黑镜式的反转，那咱只能说您被好莱坞和美剧的快餐文化洗脑太深，以至于忘了我们欣赏一部佳作的初心。看到最后一幕，虽然明知是导演刻意在搞煽情，但是这份煽情立意太高，眼泪不自觉地掉下来。
有点像之前看过的一个短片的风格（忘了叫什么），人物描述很细腻，简单的故事在每处以为反转的时候都没有反转，朴实得有点可贵，可能我们已经很长时间不再相信真情实感了吧。
为了家人，我接受了我！为了家人，我成为了我！因为，我们深爱着我的家人！
想不通，这才是真正意义上判死刑吧。我接受不了被人遗忘地离开。syz 说他也会选择这样的方式离开，真是没想到..
克隆体延续生命旅程的故事，一切因爱而起，一切为爱延续。本体与克隆体关系的争议从未停止，伴随着种种道德，人伦，情感的问题，人们始终无法坦然接受被克隆体所代替，也许未来科技足够发达，人的生命可以由克隆体延续，但……克隆体始终不是人类
无法欣赏，搞这么多就是纠结要不要克隆重生？
890｜3.5，克隆之后毫无区别是直奔主题的软科幻设定，然而剧本不够简洁，情感的表达也不够有力。故事是残酷而温暖的：即使另一个我与我自己毫无区别，但与家人的爱的记忆无法被抹去，怀着它离开这个世界无疑是痛苦的，但也只有知悉亲情完好如初，才舍得放手离开。中间一段配乐居然是Radiohead的Idioteque。
究竟是什么定义了“我”的存在，身体和记忆完全一致，生物连续性和社会连续性丝毫不影响，这难道不是“我”么？看起来百利无一害的选择，“我”有什么可抗拒呢？除了自私、领地概念，还有什么不可接受的呢？真喜欢这种未来社会细节啊，家居、无人汽车、手表都像是很快就能实现的
我是否接受被人代替这一点 我甚至都希望自己健全的时候有人愿意去代替我 她拿着我的身份 只要不像我那么爱逃跑 她没错我也没错 我不管现代科技把克隆体看做什么 我也不想去想她的感受 她是否想作为真正的人类 人类太自大了 毛发的生长指甲的长度 我们不想做不利于自己的牺牲 就算最后的牺牲也只是作为人类个体的消亡 自私又可笑
和今年圣丹斯的电影《二重身》撞题，完全一致的故事背景，只是在克隆后的人生境遇和关键抉择里走向相反的类型处理，表演是加分项，效果见仁见智。
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